10 November 2007

Keith Seffen's WTC Collapse Folly: Not Even Wrong

Today, once again, I'm going to turn my blog over to my husband, Arkadiusz Jadczyk who is going to comment on the recent media splash made by Keith Seffen of Cambridge who claims that the collapse of the World Trade Centers is easily explainable according to his "model." I wrote about this myself at the time, and the interested reader might wish to review that post. Having said that, without further ado, Ark takes the floor!

The other day, discussing the subject of modern day scientific research which is most often controlled by politics, I wrote: “The peer-review system has serious flaws. Sometimes completely nonsensical and disinformation papers are published. And quite often good papers are being rejected, because referees have their prejudices and personal interests.” Let me give an example from real life, a sort of “diary of a referee.”

At the end of August, the editors of a professional specialized journal Markov Processes and Related Fields asked me to serve as a referee of a certain paper. One of the authors was an American mathematician, whom I met a few years ago at a conference, the second one, French, from Laboratoire de Recherche en Informatique et ses Applications, whom I did not know. I had a look at the paper, and put it in a drawer – for later. Usually the editors give a couple of months for a review... But then I suffered a hard drive failure, I had to finish my own paper (still waiting to be finished ... ) and also there was the work on publishing of the proceedings of a conference that was held a couple of years ago which Springer publisher is waiting for ....

So I forgot about Markov processes and related fields. But when two weeks ago I received from the Chief Editor of the journal a kind and polite reminder, I dug out the paper to be reviewed and started to study it.

As it happens the paper is based on a previous paper by one of the authors, so I had to read it first. It deals with “random walks on hypercubes”. A hypercube, you know, is like an ordinary cube, but in four (or more) dimensions. The four dimensional hypercube is also known as the tesseract. Sacred geometry folks even think that contemplating tesseracts and similar creatures takes us into a higher reality. I don't know. For me geometry is neither sacred nor scary – mathematics can effectively deal with hyperdimensional constructions without much mystery!

Looking through the cited bibliography in the paper to be reviewed I noticed that my own paper about quantum fractals on hyperspheres is being quoted, so I started to feel sympathy towards the authors. Who of us does not like to be quoted, right? So I started reading the paper with a positive attitude.

At the beginning the reading was easy. A little error here, a small correction there. Every referee likes these small errors because pointing them out does not take much time and, on the other hand, serves as a proof that the referee has indeed read the paper. Some smart authors, those who are aware of referees' psychology, are making such small errors on purpose – to make the referee happy and to encourage him/her not to look in the paper any deeper!

I was thinking a little bit about what can be the use of random walks on hypercubes, but the authors remarked that it can be used in studies of error propagation. Other well established authors studied similar mathematical problems before, so the subject matter of the paper has been sanctioned this way; doesn't mean it is true.

As I said above, the start was easy, yet pretty soon I found something that caused me to frown. There was a formula that should not be there, since it was taken from another paper and this other paper dealt with an essentially different case, based on a different set of assumptions. So I highlighted the formula in red and continued reading. Is this formula important for the final results of the paper? It often happens that we are getting right results using wrong methods. Perhaps this is the case here? But then, on page 9, I noticed that this suspicious formula is indeed being used. Here is this page:

and the suspicious term is the last term in the first equation from the top. The full page in pdf format is here.

Scary, isn't it? Scares me, too, and I'm a mathematician! To check the calculations would take me a full month. What to do?

First, I thought, I will do a computer simulation using a random number generator. If my simulations will give the results that are evidently contradictory to the final results of the authors, then I will return the paper for corrections. If, on the other hand, my simulations will be in agreement with the results of the paper, then I will conclude that the authors, even if they are sinners, know what they are doing and so their sins can be forgiven.

Yet, after some thinking, I realized that to do the simulations would take me probably two weeks. “Why should I do it?”, I was thinking. And then I remembered this phrase from the Bible “Unto a stranger thou mayest lend upon usury” (Deut. 23.20). Eureka! I will suggest, instead, that the authors should do the simulations, which should not be too difficult for them as I knew that they did similar simulations before. And, with this insight, I wrote my referee report. After listing of all the little errors and inexactitude that I noticed I added the following final suggestion:

Now comes my doubt. The formula 1.6 introduces the inner product on the Clifford algebra. This inner product is the same as in the previous paper Ref. [18]. Yet the case now is different - we are dealing with signatures (p,q). This inner product is not a natural inner product for these signatures (it is, in particular, basis dependent). The basis independent inner product is given by slightly different formula - see for instance Proposition 2, (iii), Ref. 10.

I was not able to check all the computations in order to see whether using of such an artificial, in Clifford algebra environment, product affects the results or not. Therefore I am suggesting that the authors make sure, by numerical simulations, in the simplest case of mixed signature, that their results, those that depend on the use of this inner product, do not suffer from using their artificial construction.

After taking the above into account I have no further objections for the publication of the paper.

End. Now I can return to my own paper, to make 100% sure that I will not make an error in my own work. But .... no. When I was putting back the paper into my file cabinet, I noticed that there is another paper there that is also waiting to be reviewed, for another journal, on another subject.

This time two of the authors were from India and one from China. The subject was also more exotic. It involved octonions (which for mathematicians are much like octopuses), spinning masses, magnetic monopoles, gravi-magnetism and more of such really scary things. A whole zoo. This time I really got scared as the authors were referring to at least six other previous papers published in some obscure journals that I had never heard of. What to do?

So I wrote to the editor of the journal asking him to kindly ask the authors to provide me with copies of their previous works. They did. Looking them over, it was clear that the subject matter happened to be in my domain of expertise (which is probably why I was asked to be a referee). So I skipped the exotic octonion part and moved to the real meat – the EQUATIONS. Well, there was nothing new in the equations; I knew them. What was new was the lousy way they were presented and described in the paper! To make a long story short, I will just include below my short and sweet final report:

After studying the paper, as well as other papers on which this paper is based, I suggest not to accept this paper for publication in (journal name omitted). The reason is two-fold.

1) The paper does not conform to the standards required for publication in mathematical physics

2) There is nothing new in the paper except the reformulation, and if there is something new, this novelty has not been highlighted or studied in detail.

Specific comments:

Eqs. (40) describe the GDM. The following formula tells us that (blah-blah - I'm leaving out the math) as well as that (blah-blah - more math). This is evidently a nonsense. Probably (blah-blah) should be (blah-blah) as in Eq. (40) and probably (blah-blah) should be replaced by (blah-blah) yet such mistakes prove that the authors do not pay attention to what they put in print.

Next, on p. 11 we have a table, where, for instance, (blah-blah) is defined as (blah-blah) Yet neither (blah-blah) nor (blah-blah) were defined before. There are many more similar errors that make it impossible to follow the authors' reasoning and that disqualify the paper as belonging to the domain of mathematical physics.

After sending this out I thought NOW I can return to my own paper. But no. Not so easy. Now my wife asks me to take a look at a paper by a fellow named Keith Seffen, an engineer at Cambridge who, apparently, wrote “An analysis of the World Trade Center collapse”. She asks me to do things like that now and again and, since she is my wife, I always put her requests at the top of the "to do" list. (We have a very happy marriage!)

Okay, let me have a look at it… I’ll be back in a few minutes…

I'm back. I’ve read the paper. If I was a referee for this paper, I would write even less than I wrote about the last paper discussed above. This paper is, as Wolfgang Pauli once said, "not even wrong." (An apparently scientific argument is said to be not even wrong if it is based on assumptions that are known to be incorrect, or alternatively theories which cannot possibly be falsified or used to predict anything.) That's probably exactly what I would say in a referee report. But my wife wants me to tell you, the reader, why I say this.

The first thing that comes to my mind is that there is a a very instructive book written by Joel Best, professor and Chair of Sociology and Criminal Justice at the University of Delaware: DAMNED LIES AND STATISTICS. Untangling Numbers from the Media, Politicians, and Activists, (University of California press, Berkeley Los Angeles London, 2001). In the Introduction the author writes:

“This is a book about bad statistics, where they come from, and why they won't go away. Some statistics are born bad—they aren't much good from the start, because they are based on nothing more than guesses or dubious data. Other statistics mutate; they become bad after being mangled (as in the case of the Author's creative rewording). Either way, bad statistics are potentially important: they can be used to stir up public outrage or fear; they can distort our understanding of our world; and they can lead us to make poor policy choices.

Now, while the online Progressive Collapse of the World Trade Centre: a Simple Analysis by K. A. Seffen from the Department of Engineering, University of Cambridge, does not deal with statistics, it deals with mathematics, a more general domain of science, yet the end result is the same: one can lie with mathematics and by doing so, such lies distort our understanding of our world. This is a very bad thing because, of all things, our world needs to be understood objectively.

Before going into details let me take a note of another interesting paper, with the title How to Accuse the Other Guy of Lying with Statistics by Charles Murray (Statist. Sci. Volume 20, Number 3 (2005), 239-241). There we read:

“We’ve known how to lie with statistics for 50 years now. What we really need are theory and praxis for accusing someone else of lying with statistics.“

So, accusing someone of lying with math needs, as a rule, someone else who is math literate. That’s me. Yet in the case of “Progressive collapse” this is not even needed (and it would be time-consuming and incomprehensible to the average reader for me). It is sufficient for you, the reader, to just be able to read and not be scared by pseudo-scientific jargon used in the article. The jargon is being used there for a clear purpose – to hide behind it the zero scientific value of the paper. I know that there is no scientific value to this paper because I read and referee scientific papers all the time and have been doing so for years. When you are not scared by the jargon, you, too, can easily see that the author gives himself away rather obviously.

Let me first point out that in order to model reality, whatever the reality in question is, one first has to choose a model. Whatever a given scientist may have in mind at the beginning, he can always choose a model that will confirm his preconceptions. If he then covers his tracks by using incomprehensible (to the average reader) jargon, no one will have the patience to go through the details or no one will care. The paper may even be published in a peer-reviewed journal if the referee is incompetent or when the editor of the journal, for some reason, decides to publish the paper with no referee at all. In fact this happened recently, when Myron W. Evans managed to get a nonsensical paper published in a professional physics journal Acta Physica Polonica B. It took three other scientists a full two months of hard work to fully expose its nonsense, even when the harbingers of the nonsense were visible at first sight. (The editor admitted the error).

In the case of Progressive collapse, the harbringers of nonsense are also clearly visible. Let me show them to you:

" …it is clear that the initial loads imposed by both parts falling onto the undamaged buildings beneath were exceptionally high due to the unforeseen preceding events, and that damage was bound to propagate into the floors below: this is the initiation phase. It is also clear that both collapse modes were progressive, as indicated by film footage: there was the sound of each successive impact of floor upon floor and a matching sequence of lateral ejection of debris. Therefore, it is valid to consider the behaviour formally in the proposed terms.”

Yes, indeed, there were sounds of each successive impact. But there were also sounds of explosions and there are other important factors (for instance unusually melted steel, angularly cut beams, insufficient temperature to melt steel, and so on). The author seems to not care about these factors. Why? Because taking them into account would force him to choose a different model and he is either not willing or not able to do so.

Then we have:

“Accordingly, the assumption of progressive collapse enables a continuum viewpoint, which permits a simpler formulation compared to, say, a finite element analysis.”

He clearly tells us that it is his assumption that enables him to choose “a simpler formulation”. And what if he had taken a different assumption? Well, the answer is easy: He could well get a different result such as the building collapse pictured at left!

He continues:

“A frivolous but useful analogue is the inflation of a rubber party balloon”

It is indeed a frivolous analogue. But then, his model of progressive collapse is a frivolous analogue so, in this case, the comparison is appropriate.

Then he gives himself away completely:

“The precise variation does not matter”

And where is the proof that it does not matter? And what if it does matter? This fact would probably be kept “undisclosed” and yes, we find that it is hidden in the following:

“Of course, it can be argued that such dissipation introduces a means for capturing dynamical effects arising from, say, column-upon-column impacts, but it is prescriptive rather than attentive in terms of correct amount, which would be very difficult to estimate. Thus, it is entirely appropriate to move the study forward within the spirit of using Eqn 10 directly...”

In short, he is giving away his secret: it is his intent to "move the study forward" within a particular "spirit." And that "spirit of obfuscation" permeates every word of this pseudo-scientific paper. Finally our author admits:

“The collapse mode is highly idealised: none of the falling mass moves laterally; any impulsive action between successive floor impacts is neglected; and the final stage of collapse after the crush-front reaches the base is discounted. However, the incorporation of these features into a subsequent model would rely on estimations apportioning their relative contributions, which are not straightforward. Such refinements may negate the ability to obtain closed-form solutions, which are essential in ascribing the generic character of behaviour and for distilling key formulae ....”

In short, one cannot include all the elements involved with the collapse (such as "any impulsive action between successive floor impacts") of the WTC towers because if you did, you would not be able to obtain the solution that Seffen has obtained by discounting them. Notice this: “ the incorporation of these features into a subsequent model would rely on estimations apportioning their relative contributions, which are not straightforward”. And he then tells us that obtaining "the solution" he has already decided he must obtain – is “essential”.

Now we understand. If he would incorporate some additional “features”, he would not be able to get to the conclusion that he has been instructed to get, or wishes to get in order to “move up” in the academic world controlled by politics!

So what does this paper prove? It proves only one thing: that it is so easy to distort our understanding of the world. But, as it happens often with bad, but politically charged, science, the mass media will certainly carry his message all around the world.

Now, where was I? Oh yes, there is a German engineer who thinks that he has discovered mysteries of gravity and electromagnetism that were overlooked by Maxwell, Einstein and their followers. Perhaps he indeed discovered them? So, I should help him to put his work in a form that will be understood by others. But this time I am not in a hurry, so I wrote to my German correspondent that I will not be able to devote to his problem more than an hour per day. Well, perhaps more .....

And after two hours spent on trying to understand what he is really doing I realized that he is making a fundamental error neglecting reality completely and is deaf to any criticism.

Why?

Because, as he admitted to me, he wants to be famous.

An educated guess may be that the real reason for Progressive Collapse may be the same – the author - Keith Seffen, (photo at left) - wants to be famous.

Progressive collapse indeed – of Science.

ADDED 15 Nov. by Ark:

For those „critics” of my critique of Seffen's paper who want something a bit juicier (and who understand math) here is something they will be happy with:

(I will skip in the formulas and the Greek subscript “lambda” - for typographical reasons)

In Eq. 12 we have P* = p* mg. But three lines above Eq. 18 it "morphs" P* = p*m. The factor g (gravitational acceleration) is missing! Such a paper certainly HAS NOT BEEN READ BY ANYBODY who understands the meaning of the symbols. A student can see the error. Thus Seffen's paper can be qualified only as a lousy production or as a hoax (or both).

Laura's Note: See also: Keep Your Hats On: Keith Seffen's "Mathematical Model Of The WTC Collapse" Is Incoherent, Inappropriate, And Almost Meaningless

24 comments:

Anonymous said...

Thanks for the deliciously funny insight into the world of scientific mumbo-jumbo. It's nice to see the same pattern repeats everywhere. It would not be fair otherwise.

Anonymous said...

Who paid the Cambridge dude to attain his results ? Did he get his "research" funding from the Rothschilds or was it possibly Shin Bet or the Mossad ?

Anonymous said...

The author cites "angularly cut beams" as possible evidence of a controlled demolition. I would like to direct his attention to this analysis:

http://www.debunking911.com/thermite.htm

The examples of angularly cut beams presented by Jones et al clearly resemble WTC beams that were cut with an oxyacetylene torch during the clean up. Note that melted steel flowing from the angled cuts looks like candle wax, clearly indicating the slow burn of the torch exactly as seen on beams known-to-be cut by the torch. Such a slow melt is not a result that the instantaneous vaporization caused by high-explosive cutter charges would produce.

Anonymous said...

All the factors that the reviewer criticises Dr Seffen for ignoring are highly dubious. Angularly cut beams are dealt with above, explosions are common in any fire and result from many causes, while molten steel has not been proved to have been found at all. Certainly what appears to be a stream of molten metal can be seen coming from one of the towers, but since it comes from an area where the plane wreckage likely came to rest, the probability is high that it is actually molten aluminium alloy from the plane. The temperature in an ordinary office fire would certainly be sufficient to melt aluminium, and of course to cause structural steel to lose a considerable proportion of its strength.

Anonymous said...

It's really not surprising to see what a horrible state the world is in when our so called brightest minds are more interested in fame than facts. Makes you wonder just how many of the conclusions that are commonly accepted as fact are just the work of scientists who feel free to ignore reality in order to suit themselves. Very informative article - thanks!

Anonymous said...

This was an eye opener for me. I thought for a long time that the scientific community will check all those scientific publications. But I didn't think that it could be hard work to do. So then there are all those who want to be famous who just wait to "invent" some kind of formula and then they may even have a chance of not being discovered and will be famous. I would never had thought of that if you wouldn't have described it to me, thanks!

ivana_krumi said...

\\\ Whatever a given scientist may have in mind at the beginning, he can always choose a model that will confirm his preconceptions. \\\

This is exactly it. If a flimsy and assumption-laden model 'works', it doesn't mean that the complex reality has to confirm to it. Especially if the whole so called 'study' is done solely to stroke the researcher's ego. What a shame. Thanks for a great commentary.

Anonymous said...

Very interesting. Goes to show we shouldn't accept information from any source as fact, be it maths or 9-11, without scrutinising it. Thanks.

redratbike said...

What i think is essential in this article by Arkadiusz Jadczyk is the encouragement to think independently, or to try to do so. In doing so [using logic instead of wishful thinking], one can see that something is wrong with some "scientists". Author of progressive colapse article make his statement to sound very wisely, but for me the effect is that my mind is "twisting" [maybe it's that I'm not oryginally english-speaking]. It's curious that scientist [as Arkadiusz is one] can express his thoughts in clear manner, and others can't or don't want to.
Curious is also that some scientists are suppressed, and other are promoted by massmedia.
So, independent thinking might be something that will save us,
lets try it :)

Harrison said...

Speaking of paid disinformants, "anonymous" has landed with a thud, with a helpful serving of gas-lighting to spice things up. I would be pointless to respond to each of his poor arguments and transparent lies, as he'll just post more in response. But in the interest of truth, here are a few:

"explosions are common in any fire and result from many causes"

Deliberate lie. Explosions occurred both BEFORE the towers were hit (in the basements) and in WTC7 BEFORE the two collapsed. Yes, they have "many causes": C4, thermite, or any other choice of explosive.

"while molten steel has not been proved to have been found at all"

Lie. Denying facts does not make them go away, anonymous.

"Certainly what appears to be a stream of molten metal can be seen coming from one of the towers, but since it comes from an area where the plane wreckage likely came to rest, the probability is high that it is actually molten aluminium alloy from the plane."

Ludicrous. First you say it only "appears to be" molten metal, then say it must be aluminum. But aluminum, if it even reached high enough temperatures is SILVERY, not orange. The temperatures needed to MELT steel can only be explained with the presence of explosives.

"The temperature in an ordinary office fire would certainly be sufficient to melt aluminium, and of course to cause structural steel to lose a considerable proportion of its strength."

Another lie. "Sufficient" does not mean the fires actually reached those temperatures. There is no evidence that they did. Aluminum and other metals melt at certain temperatures, but flame must be applied consistently, not in random and varying flames, as in the towers. The fires did not burn hot enough or long enough to cause structural failure.

Anonymous said...

Wow, I didn't know how much these papers can be manipulated to be held as "truth". It's scary to think about it!

Kawika said...

I think anyone with two neurons firing could see the holes in the official version of WTC attacks. It's basic logic that the forces that had the capabilities to pull this off would certainly be able come up with scientists and engineers to support the "official version" even ones from Cambridge.

cybervigilantes said...

Excellent and amusing expose!

I laughed out loud to the assumptions Seffen has made to push his theory through. In particular, However, the incorporation of these features into a subsequent model would rely on estimations apportioning their relative contributions, which are not straightforward. This just says to me that if he were to include the other factors he hasn't taken into account his model would not work. He suggests he can't be bothered or it is too difficult for him to take account of these, there fore by ignoring them he must be right!

Great stuff!

Anonymous said...

Oh dear, Harrison, you really must stop foaming at the mouth and look at facts, not propaganda. You have fallen for every deceit you have been fed, I'm afraid.

There is no credible evidence of prior explosions, William Rodriguez, who now says he heard explosions, took TWO YEARS to come to that conclusion, and then only when he was being funded to fly round the world saying so.

Molten metal was reported, no evidence exists that it was steel, the towers were sheathed in aluminium, the planes were made of aluminium, the aluminium would melt long before the steel. Fact.

All metals reach approximately the same colours at the same temperatures, at a temperature at which steel is red hot, so is aluminium. Fact, check it yourself. Judy Woods has some nice aluminium foundry pictures on her site.

Explosives do not melt steel. Thermite melts steel, but does not explode. Nothing could blow the towers apart AND melt the steel, it's just not possible. No explosive could survive intact on the impact floors, with the combination of the plane impact followed by intense fire.

Since ordinary office fires reach up to 1000 degrees, what remarkable difference would make the fires in the WTC stay much cooler? They would not do so just to oblige conspiracists, I'm afraid.

Anonymous said...

Thank you for this insight. The general public is so often sold a bunch of you know what as facts because they are based on so called expert opinion.

Harrison said...

"Oh dear, Harrison, you really must stop foaming at the mouth and look at facts, not propaganda. You have fallen for every deceit you have been fed, I'm afraid."

If you only knew, anonymous... I am not one known for foaming at the mouth. In fact, I find conversing with spooks to be a pleasant past-time. And please, know that I don't take it personally. I know you are simply reading from a list of "talking points". Chances are you don't even believe a word you're writing, which is some consolation to me. You're just doing your job, after all.

For those readers observing this exchange, please know that (for further reference), when "anonymous" refers to "facts" he is referring to "un-facts"; "truth" is "propaganda"; etc. A re-read of Orwell's principles of newspeak will come in handy. Anonymous is also continuing (quite predictably, I may add...) to engage in gaslighting; that is, he is repeatedly denying facts (lying), in the face of overwhelming evidence to the contrary. This self-certainty is seen by others with a normal world view in the following way: "Well, he's so certain, and certainly no one lies that well, so he must be telling the truth."

Unfortunately, this is the point. He is aware of the effect his lying has on others. That is why he is paid to do it. How else do you think he found this blog? Who goes around scouting for blogs with any mention of any critical view of 9/11 and posts talking points, but a paid propagandist? Think about it.

"There is no credible evidence of prior explosions,"

Gaslighting, i.e. lying.

"William Rodriguez, who now says he heard explosions, took TWO YEARS to come to that conclusion, and then only when he was being funded to fly round the world saying so."

The implication being that Rodriguez is lying. However, his credentials are verified and his story has been corroborated by Anthony Saltalamacia. Anonymous is simply looking for aspects of "facts" that can be seen as "weak". By pointing out the weakness, he hopes to imply that the story is false. In other words, more cheap propaganda.

"Molten metal was reported, no evidence exists that it was steel, the towers were sheathed in aluminium, the planes were made of aluminium, the aluminium would melt long before the steel. Fact."

Mental gymnastics. Your "fact" is irrelevant. Molten metal was reported under the piles of ALL THREE buildings. Thermal imaging showed temperatures higher than the fire temperatures weeks afterward. There's no mechanism by which the aluminum surrounding the building would melt. It was not observed melting. How does a building that is NOT melting begin to melt only after it has collapsed due to gravity? It stretches credulity to the limit.

"All metals reach approximately the same colours at the same temperatures, at a temperature at which steel is red hot, so is aluminium. Fact, check it yourself. Judy Woods has some nice aluminium foundry pictures on her site."

Now you're quoting a conspiracy theorist? Not only that, a conspiracy theory with a history of gaslighting herself (see journal of 911 studies for the whole story)... Interesting...

"Explosives do not melt steel. Thermite melts steel, but does not explode. Nothing could blow the towers apart AND melt the steel, it's just not possible."

At least anonymous is tacitly admitting that the towers WERE exploded and melted! At the very least he should be joining us in the call for a complete investigation into the matter, because it's obvious that gravity and jet fuel are even less likely candidates for the disintegration of three WTC buildings.

"No explosive could survive intact on the impact floors, with the combination of the plane impact followed by intense fire."

"Intense fire"? That's a laugh.

"Since ordinary office fires reach up to 1000 degrees, what remarkable difference would make the fires in the WTC stay much cooler? They would not do so just to oblige conspiracists, I'm afraid."

No, they would not. But this is a very misleading statement. And illogical to boot. Some office fires rage through entire buildings, gutting all materials except the steel frame. So why didn't the WTCs do this? "To oblige with conspiracy theorists"? No. Science is based on the observation of facts. The facts observed on 911 show unremarkable fires. Period.

For impartial readers, please read Griffin's books on the subject, and journal of 911 studies. Also read the debunkers. Think for yourselves. Don't let NSA spooks do your thinking for you.

ericswan said...

As it happens, you panned the wrong set of papers.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/main.jhtml?xml=/earth/2007/11/14/scisurf114.xml&CMP=ILC-mostviewedbox

Anonymous said...

As I'm reading Velikovsky's "Stargazers & Gravediggers: Memoirs to Worlds in Collision", I find this emblematic of the process of change... and very entertaining as well.

ericswan said...

Here is Lisi's paper on pdf..

http://arxiv.org/pdf/0711.0770

Youngfox said...

Yet another blazing article.
Not looking to have this comment published -just a quick note to let you know that "Voltaire Network" on your blogroll is a dead link.
They have changed from .net to .org,
( http://www.voltairenet.org/ )

It is nice to see that SOTT is rerunning many of your older articles but I am sad to see that nothing new by you has been published there for a while.
Hope you are still clacking the keys for something new.

The SOTT forum also seems to have cooled off quite a bit of late.
My daily lurk there seems to yield far fewer juicy fruits.
I hope some of the more interesting posters come back with some frequency.

May you and yours have a merry Zeusmas and the new year reveals yet more inspiration.

J.A. Youngfox

Anonymous said...

hi, I can't seem to access the SOTT site anymore. Is there a site maintenance problem?

Anonymous said...

This is pretty funny. Ark is clearly desperate to discredit Seffen's paper regardless of anything but his own agenda.

First, he implies it's a mathematics paper. It's not. It's an engineering paper. Yes, it uses math along the way, as engineering is wont to do, but the author is not so much interested in mathematical certainty as he is with a simple model of the collapse -- per the title of the paper! So no, we should not find absolute mathematical rigor here; and yes, we should expect to find simplification.

Why simplify? To obtain a closed-form solution. Here Ark has flat-out lied about what that means when he twists it to say Steffen is looking for one solution in particular. He is rather looking for a particular kind of solution. For the benefit of those who have never encountered the term, a closed-form solution is one that can be expressed in terms of a limited set of functions. With such a solution, one can just substitute the values for the particular case under consideration, run it through your calculator, and get a number out. Very simple to use.

However, many -- indeed, most -- physical problems cannot be solved this way without simplification. Without simplification, solutions must usually be obtained by numerical methods. This is when you use approximations of the solution to obtain a result. Often this is done repeatedly with each repetition yielding greater precision. The precision obtainable depends on a number of factors, but it is not infinite.

Both a closed-form solution reached by simplification, and a numerical solution obtained from refined approximations, are by nature imprecise, and it's impossible to say in the general case which is more likely to be better. You choose depending on the data and mathematical tools available, and the goal of the exercise. In this case, the goal of simplicity and the ability to draw a few general inferences at the end dictate seeking a closed form solution.

A physicist ought to know that. They simplify in order to obtain closed-form solutions all the time. As the old joke goes, "Assume a spherical cat." But Ark pretends this is a new and strange procedure to him. That should be a red flag. It's utter mendacity.

Finally, when pressed for an example of exactly how Steffen went wrong, the one he gives is entirely bogus! Yes, that typo omitting g above equation 18 is embarrassing. Good thing it wasn't picked up in any subsequent derivation then, wasn't it? It had no effect whatsoever on the result. Probably happened at the press. One imagines such things are not uncommon in prepublication copies of papers, such as this one.

If that was the best Ark could do, then he has nothing at all. He should be embarrassed for such a public display.

Finally, I suggest that both Ark and Laura educate themselves on the use of HTML. It's not complicated to write something like m<sub>λ</sub>. (The necessary tag isn't available to me as a commentator so I can't show what it looks like rendered, but it should be available to the blog owner. This is trivially simple stuff; the SUB tag has been part of HTML since 1997 or so.)

Bob said...

Would you fly in a plane designed by an engineer who got the math wrong? We want an apology Keith Seffen.

hANOVER fIST said...

Seffen's paper is total shite, and the trolls here in the comments are completely transparent.

Office fires reaching 1000 degrees? Maybe the colliding braincells in your head, maybe.

I don't even need to continue...I'll just add this nugget: WTC buildings 1 & 2, at their uppermost floors, are/were buffeted with hurricane-force winds, and they needed to be flexible enough not to crumble. I've also seen the film regarding the construction of WTC buildings 1 & 2 - there were NO FLIMSY TRUSSES! Those suckers were INDUNATED with tons upon tons of steel.

Telltale sign of controlled demolition (and not necessarily with "explosives") - the antenna collapsing before the rest of the building. It's an all-too-obvious sign of the foundations/supports of the building being removed through some process - thermite would suffice for cutting out support.

All of you fools who are supporters of the "19 Ay-Rab" foolishness - understand that you are naught but USEFUL IDIOTS who will be discarded once your usefulness is at an end. You know that the story does NOT stand up to scrutiny.